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quantum wrote:
Kool then. We will all be here waiting to answer your questions.
quan, visit my page.
...bye now, meet you on weekend .........
Tue Oct 12, 04 11:22 am
quantum Site Admin
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Thanks payel for such a prominent linking.
Now you should really try to learn some complex table stuffs. See all these pages after pages of nice looking websites? They were made possible only because of tables. Well, mostly. There is more to the story now. But we will get to that later. So I suggest, try to layout a more complex design with tables. Look at the quantumcloud main site. How were the content placed where they are? Tables. Learn the table good. You will need that.
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quantum wrote:
Thanks payel for such a prominent linking.
Now you should really try to learn some complex table stuffs. See all these pages after pages of nice looking websites? They were made possible only because of tables. Well, mostly. There is more to the story now. But we will get to that later. So I suggest, try to layout a more complex design with tables. Look at the quantumcloud main site. How were the content placed where they are? Tables. Learn the table good. You will need that.
Keep us updated on your progress. Good luck.
yes, quan, i want to learn this table thing too. i need to see your codes and see them and practice those examples.
quan, CSS is another codes that you all use right and java things,
i need to know them so, i will be able to dream about them and make my design nice, without knowing them well, i can't make much complex stuffs.
i am trying to do that.
since, i use less time and do only when i feel like ... i can't go much into it.
but i am trying though.
talk about it later. thank you too and goodluck too quan.
Thu Oct 14, 04 7:52 am
payel3 Expert User
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 147
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quan, is it a good way of learning to read html books or so,
i never knew we have html, java sript books in our school library and other software books too.
i just found out and took one, there are too many and too thick too.
bye now
payel
Thu Oct 14, 04 11:23 am
quantum Site Admin
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 1048
Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
Post subject: Learning a programming language
Yeah CSS is the bext thing you want to learn as soon as you get a grip on the most important html tags. CSS stands for Cascading style sheets. It's very useful to centrally control the look of your designs and layout. You can change the look of the similar elements of entire website just by changing one file.
But I do not recommend java for web development. Java's core strangth is in developing softwares. The part of Java that you can usually use in web development is Applet. But building and using an applet for any part of web design is like shooting a fly with an M-16. It's needlessly complex to write, large in file size, and eats away system resources. As a matter of fact, I think, applets are all but dead in web development. The only successful use of applet I have ever seen was in creating chat rooms. Forget about that. If you want to learn a programming language for the web development, you want to learn PHP. If you want to learn animation then learn Flash.
Although, I must warn you, both CSS and HTML are formatting laguange. NOT programming language. PHP/Java is a programming language. And programming languages are much more difficult and time consuming to learn and master than the formatting ones. It's a totally different beast. So brace yourself for that before you proceed. _________________
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Fri Oct 15, 04 4:18 am
quantum Site Admin
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Yes, off course you can learn web development from books. There are many good ones out there. Personally for me though, I cannot learn anything from the book. Whenever I face a problem, I head to google. Make a search and get the solution. Books just have too many things explaining before it gets to the real point. But for you it might be a very good idea. _________________
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Fri Oct 15, 04 7:40 am
payel3 Expert User
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quantum wrote:
Yes, off course you can learn web development from books. There are many good ones out there. Personally for me though, I cannot learn anything from the book. Whenever I face a problem, I head to google. Make a search and get the solution. Books just have too many things explaining before it gets to the real point. But for you it might be a very good idea.
you are exactly right. i can't do it either. it has too much to read. so far i am just going through the examples and avoid reading all those stuffs that they put there.
i think CSS is great. java script is crazy to me, like you said it is complex. i don't want to go into it until i am finish with html and CSS and then php.
it is a long way if i don't put time into these often.
now quan, about the guest book, those two site i can't find, i couldn't go into them. i tried. could you give me them again.
also, quan, can i make forum in my webpage. i really want it. i need to learn this table thing and that is what i am working on.
i got it, quan now, it is google search page, i need to check the next one.
i need to edit my sig. right quan. i will try to do it now.
bye now payel
Sat Oct 16, 04 8:18 am
payel3 Expert User
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quan, i registered for guest book and now i don't understand how should i put it in a way so, people can post comments and use it from my homepage.
would you tell me, i am trying to do understand and fix it.
Sat Oct 16, 04 8:56 am
quantum Site Admin
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Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
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Javascript is probably the second easiest thing to learn after html and CSS. Php is little harder than that.
You cannot make a forum in your current free host. However, you can find out a host that let you sign up for an Invision Board forum. But don't you thnk, you are leaping ahead? I am doing web design for 7 years. And only this year I started out the forum. First learn the web designing stuffs pretty good. Also how website works and how to promote your website. A forum won't help you learning web design in any way. It will be just another place for you to spend and waste time. You can always start a forum anytime. But wait till you know your stuffs. Save some money. Get your own domain and host. Then start a forum. Nobody would want to go to a forum to see a bunch of pop up advertisements.
Now we need to know more details on how you can set up your guestbook. We don't even know which guestbook you signed up for and what instructions they gave you. _________________
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Sat Oct 16, 04 10:18 pm
payel3 Expert User
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okay quan, i won't work with forum or anything like that....now...
i will simply learn things and try to promote.... my web page....
javasript............ yes, i will work with it soon........
oh! i worked out the guest thing, i think i hosted it from www.my-gb.com or something like that...i don't know ....
it is really nice..and i didn't need to use frame or so....
you can visit the page and see it...it is like it is from my main page not out side and has no banner or so..............
i like it............
bye now quan....
talk about other stuffs...later.
Sun Oct 17, 04 8:16 am
quantum Site Admin
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Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
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Good that you got the guestbook working. But you missed the main point on why I said you could use frame in the page. The domain of your guestbook is [http://www.my-gb.com/] and the domian of your main website is [http://free.hostdepartment.com/s/sodoami3nasrin/] and this is not a good practice. When people browse your website, they expect to be on the same domian. Directing to another domain is confusing. Another thing is that you must create an original theme and keep it consistent for every page of the website. _________________
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Mon Oct 18, 04 6:20 am
payel3 Expert User
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 147
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quantum wrote:
Good that you got the guestbook working. But you missed the main point on why I said you could use frame in the page. The domain of your guestbook is [http://www.my-gb.com/] and the domian of your main website is [http://free.hostdepartment.com/s/sodoami3nasrin/] and this is not a good practice. When people browse your website, they expect to be on the same domian. Directing to another domain is confusing. Another thing is that you must create an original theme and keep it consistent for every page of the website.
yes, quan, i didn't get the point, i didn't understand how should i had frame there.
come quan, tell me in detain. and what did you mean by an original theme.
tell me in detail i will change and fix everything.
quan, table is cool....i finished its chapter in the book.
now to style sheet.
bye now payel
Mon Oct 18, 04 7:32 am
payel3 Expert User
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 147
Location: USA, N.Y. Brooklyn.
here quan, i fixed the frame thing for guestbook, i hope you will like it now and will be happy to stay in one page,
tell me something at least about it.
i will change the layout of other pages soon, maybe coming weekend.
i couldn't frame the site on weekend becaues my mom was yelling at me for sitting here long time, and was saying i am addicted to it.
so, i just put it.
and i didn't really get how i should use frame either.
after your comment, i was thinking and did it,
now got to go,
you make comment, i will think a little more
okay
bye now
payel
Mon Oct 18, 04 4:30 pm
quantum Site Admin
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Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
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You did a nice job with the frame. I like it.
A theme is a basic layout and design that is consistent through out the website. The purpose of this is to ensure that the user is never confused. That he does not have to look for the navigation panel on every page or there are not any totally different kind of graphics on every page. You must use the same color scheme for every page. Same color link, same color text etc. For example look over the main quantumcloud website. You will get what I mean. I could make every single page of the site with different layout, graphics and color. Could'nt I? Then why I did'nt?
A few things you should take notice of.
1. Create a navigation panel that would include links to all the pages of the website. Like home, poems, surah, prayer, guestbook. Make sure it is on every page. So that the user can browse to a different section immediately without having to go back to the main page everytime.
2. If you want to use a background, make sure it tiles smoothly. That means the edges of the background picture must match seamlessly.
3. Use meaningful file name. Not like myinternetexplorer.htm. But like surah1.htm.
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 147
Location: USA, N.Y. Brooklyn.
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quantum wrote:
You did a nice job with the frame. I like it.
A theme is a basic layout and design that is consistent through out the website. The purpose of this is to ensure that the user is never confused. That he does not have to look for the navigation panel on every page or there are not any totally different kind of graphics on every page. You must use the same color scheme for every page. Same color link, same color text etc. For example look over the main quantumcloud website. You will get what I mean. I could make every single page of the site with different layout, graphics and color. Could'nt I? Then why I did'nt?
A few things you should take notice of.
1. Create a navigation panel that would include links to all the pages of the website. Like home, poems, surah, prayer, guestbook. Make sure it is on every page. So that the user can browse to a different section immediately without having to go back to the main page everytime.
2. If you want to use a background, make sure it tiles smoothly. That means the edges of the background picture must match seamlessly.
3. Use meaningful file name. Not like myinternetexplorer.htm. But like surah1.htm.
More later. :smt001
quan, i will but i am just hanging around with all those stuffs, i have not put my heart and didn't even try to be organized yet. come on quan, give a little time.
i am just learning and trying to apply.
i just want to see so far how well i can do it and learn it.
i told you when i will know those tags and so on well, i will dream about them,
think about them,
and will make things organized and complex.
yes, quan, i know all the things are massed up. i didn't really care what i was doing with names or so on. i just put them. sometimes, i just typed without looking at the words. sometimes i just wrote so i will remember and the name will be different than the others.
if you see my dasktop, you will laugh. it is full with note pad and html files
and all the names are meaningless of all.
i have not put my time on that yet.
don't worry quan, i will do those soon and will be organized okay.
bye now
payel _________________ I know i do not know, and therefore i want to know. by: why? (translation of greece name)
