Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 147
Location: USA, N.Y. Brooklyn.
Post subject: Questions about how to start web design.
hi quantum brother,
so so so many thanks for your long lovely advises and information.
now i have question. first, how did you begin to learn web designing. what did you use for it. how many things and what things you needed for it. tell me everything you can think of. okay. insha-allah i will do as you tell me. okay.
you studied in CIS too. that's great. insha-allah i will do too then. what do you say.
i think your advises are great. i will try to find those and try to learn insha-allah soon. the thing is that i don't go out much, not too active. like you are. you know. but i would love it like you said. i would love to learn it.
tell me how did you begin to learn it and so on okay. i need to read your msg. again you know to remember those things.
thanks a lot. bye now. thanks again.
Last edited by payel3 on Wed Jul 28, 04 10:29 am; edited 1 time in total
Sun Jul 25, 04 5:02 pm
dude Power User
Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 376
Location: Savar, Dhaka
Post subject: Beginner html
Hi Payel,
Quantum has been very busy all of a sudden. I am not exactly a web designer but I once tried this area little. This site below is a useful site to learn html baiscs. This is the first language to learn if you want to learn web design. I think quantum can give you more detailed references as soon as he is little free.
As a side note I have two requests to make. Please use meaningful titles for your topics. For example, you could name this thread "How to learn web design"(you can still change it by editing the first message). This is useful for other visitors and search engines to guess what the topic is about. Also if you want to be a professional web designer you will need to write a lot of professioanl quality contents. It will be good for you to practice writing like that even here. For you example you do not need to use that many dots in the messages. A good web designer always keeps in mind the usability of his works. How easily understanable and clear his concepts can be made to anyone.
You can look up the Forum Rules in the announcements section.
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) Leading orginization on web standards.
[http://www.w3.org/]
I'd suggest that you start by creating a personal website. Keep updating it and adding new features as you learn them! You can host fyour site for free at [http://geocities.com] or [http://freewebs.com]
One good trick is to analyse how the web sites you visit and like are created. You can check out the source code of any web page by clicking View -- Source in internet IE. _________________ “You might say reality is the result of complex negotiations between the observer and the observed. But that is simply a point of view…”
Digital Bangladesh
Wed Jul 28, 04 5:31 am
payel3 Expert User
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 147
Location: USA, N.Y. Brooklyn.
Post subject: Re: learning beginner html
Hi brothers,
I certainly appreciate your comments and advises that you have given me. Insha-allah, I will be on my way to practice those things and will try my best to improve my way of writing and be like a professional person. Thanks for your concern and time and for all those sites you have given me. I will try to visit them and learn from them as much as I can.
Now just a little saying dude, I was like that because I didn’t know how are you all here. In some sites, they are all massed up. They don’t really care what others do. I have been seeing that brother quantum is being very organized and so on. I liked it. Sure, I will try my best to be as you told me to be so. Yet, I don’t really know about this site much and I don’t visit this site much. Moreover, I can’t really stay online much either. Since I don’t know this site much, I am confused about what to write and how to act so that everyone will be pleased with me.
I am really glad that at least someone told me calmly. I will do insha-allah like you said. I hope you all won’t mind that I added this message on this page. Would you??? I don’t know whether it is the right place to thank like that. Would you mind to tell me about it a little???
I hope at least you all won’t mind that I added this message here to thank you all.
Your Truly,
Payel
Wed Jul 28, 04 10:20 am
dude Power User
Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 376
Location: Savar, Dhaka
Post subject:
Hi Payel,
Thanks for changing the title. And you are most welcome. That's what we are here for. To help each other.
Certainly I do not mind you thanking me! Generally we are very informal here. So you do not need to be very picky on what you ask or say. Just maintain a minimum standard of professionalism. That should be ultimately good for you too.
Hope to hear a lot of questions from you soon and share some of your own ideas too.
Wed Jul 28, 04 11:18 am
payel3 Expert User
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 147
Location: USA, N.Y. Brooklyn.
Post subject:
hi dude,
thanks for your reply with support. insha-allah i will ask a lot soon when i will start. i went to those sites but not yet up to reading for i can't read too much on computer. it is hard for me. i need to print them and i don't like our printer ink. so i am waiting for the time when i will go to public library and school to open. then i will be on my way.
one question about the html, how should i apply those. i copied those things and saved them in files of MSWW. would you tell me little about that how to apply them and use them. maybe i will know it when i will read all the things.
bye now.
payel
Wed Jul 28, 04 7:06 pm
quantum Site Admin
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 1048
Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
Post subject: Beginning HTML
Hi Payel,
Good to see that you have been helped out and are on your way to becoming the best web designer of this planet.
I think the sites mentioned already are enough for a jump start. Do not hesitate to ask any question that comes to your mind.
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one question about the html, how should i apply those. i copied those things and saved them in files of MSWW.
Now the way simple html works is as followed:
You type the html codes as a text file in Notepad. Then save it as filename.htm . The .htm extension is the important thing here. Then you double click on the file, from where you saved it. And it should open with your default browser, which is most probably internet explorer. You will see how the html codes work and the browser renders the layout. I am not going into the basics of how to write html codes here. Those tutorial sites already have them explained in very details. If you are having difficulty understanding any specific part just give us a holler.
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 1048
Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
Post subject: Html amd Notepad
I forgot to mention one important thing. You must use Notepad not MS Word or any other word editor. The reason is, anything like that would insert many formatting codes of its own in the file, which is not acceptable. Later you may want to use something like DreamWeaver as a WHYSWYG editor to help you with designing the layout. But that's later. It is important to have a code level kowledge of html. specially when it is so easy to learn. And nothing beats the good old notepad in this purpose. _________________
Dust fills my eyes / Clouds roll by / and I roll with them / Centuries cry / Orders fly / and I fall again
Afford best design, implement best solution. Outsource your web design.
Thu Jul 29, 04 8:26 am
payel3 Expert User
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 147
Location: USA, N.Y. Brooklyn.
Post subject: Re: Html amd Notepad
hi brother quantum
i am very glad to hear from you but not so glad to be hear in this library at all. they have changed too much than one can think of like a web page. you know.
yes, those sites are great mostly the w3 school one. it is like a classroom where they teach and it is very simple and easy.
i thought to print from here like i used to do and so on. but their rules and regualations and computer sign up system and printing system and everything else are so different now. you won't like it. you will be bore to be here and wait to use a computer when all the computers are empty and no one is using them but lock with their id and passwords of library card.
Goodluck for me. pray for me a little. i need to print out your last two messages and html language informations.
bye nasrin. i will have so many questions for you all to answer soon. not much now since i didn't read much.
one thing thus, is there a way of getting free web something like that. emm brother told me something like that and i was looking for it. i got nothing yet. another thing he said was to see the coad of the websites. what they used to made the sites. how should i do it ?
one more thing, or two, what are these BBCode and phpBB things?
thank you, no more questions.
bye payel.
Thu Jul 29, 04 12:49 pm
quantum Site Admin
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 1048
Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
Post subject: More answers...
Sorry to hear that about your library. I guess you can try to adopt yourself reading from a computer monitor more and more. Or you can ask your parents to get you a better printer at home.
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is there a way of getting free web something like that. emm brother told me something like that and i was looking for it.
Yes definitely. Actually if you have a yahoo email account, you already have a free host to upload your website, which is geocities. There are many others. But Geocities is the best in terms of service. Go to this page and sign up with your existing yahoo ID
The only catch is yahoo will advertise on your web site automatically. But it's not that annoying as many others.
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another thing he said was to see the coad of the websites. what they used to made the sites. how should i do it ?
In this browser window look at the menu bar at top. Go to View then Click on Source. This will show you the html source code of the page layout.
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what are these BBCode and phpBB things?
BBCode is a special implementation of HTML. BBCode itself is similar in style to HTML: tags are enclosed in square braces [ and ] rather than < and > and it offers greater control over what and how something is displayed. Whether you can actually use BBCode in your posts on the forum is determined by the administrator. In addition, you can disable BBCode on a per post basis via the posting form.
phpBB is a high powered, fully scalable, and highly customisable open-source bulletin board or forum package. This is written with server side scripting laguage php and of course in conjunction with html, javascript, css etc. It was devloped by many kind programmers who let anyone download and use it for absolutely free. This kind of practice by the programmers is called open source culture. This makes many of our lices so easy when the experienced programmers choose to share their knowledge and experience with everyone without asking any money or anything. Go to www.phpbb.com for more info if you wish. _________________
Dust fills my eyes / Clouds roll by / and I roll with them / Centuries cry / Orders fly / and I fall again
Afford best design, implement best solution. Outsource your web design.
Fri Jul 30, 04 9:08 am
payel3 Expert User
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 147
Location: USA, N.Y. Brooklyn.
Post subject: not too many questions.
hi quantum brother,
just a little good news and little news. i tried html in notepad. it works great. no wander our dear old good notepad is really so good and nothing beats it off.
that library thing, me i am not going there anymore at least to use computer insha-allah. but for books, i will have to, we are just wandering what are they going to do in the future, make this N.Y. a jail for us or what? that's what they are doing, you can't do anything. i am thinking what they did to our school now? what we are going to see when school opens.
anyway, insha-allah i will try to read on computer monitor but it takes time that's the only reason i don't want to use it and i will be yelled at all time since i don't do anything when i start to use it, not even eating on time.
our printer works great and very good printer too but that ink is not good, and that's why i bother to print from here since it is too thick even when i make the font thin or so. it is too dark, bothers my eyes.
insha-allah i will try the two things you told me to check soon or even now.
one more question maybe, no not today, i think i can get that by reading all the things.
yes, one thing, how long are the notes on html in w3school.com. i have been copying all that and still there is next page thing. i copied up to 30 or more or so.
html is a funny and very interesting language, easier than my SAT trap things. SAT trap is funny too the way they teach it, i think that tutorial site is like that too. so simple and goes on fine.
i wonder how easy that class would be if anyone takes it at anytime. they should get 100 on every tests, don't you think? i think so.
talk to you later about other things, that major. oh! can i talk about that here a little or on general pages.
bye now
payel
Fri Jul 30, 04 10:10 am
quantum Site Admin
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 1048
Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
Post subject:
Great to know that you got things working for you. You seem very frustrated about the school. lol. Well you can always complain to the counselor and see if you can make a few things easier.
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one more question maybe, no not today, i think i can get that by reading all the things.
Yes, you will probably get the answer from reading them. But you can still ask anything that pops up to your mind. We really don't mind. You have a very inquisitive mind. I really like that.
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html is a funny and very interesting language, easier than my SAT trap things.
I told you it is. But what is Sat Trap thing?
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talk to you later about other things, that major. oh! can i talk about that here a little or on general pages.
You are getting to be a mature woman now. So make your decision what you think would be appropiate category. I will trust your judgment. _________________
Dust fills my eyes / Clouds roll by / and I roll with them / Centuries cry / Orders fly / and I fall again
Afford best design, implement best solution. Outsource your web design.
Sat Jul 31, 04 9:45 am
payel3 Expert User
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 147
Location: USA, N.Y. Brooklyn.
Post subject: bounch of questions.
here you go:
Web design:
What effects does poem system have on website. I saw it on your site sources too but I don’t understand why did you do like that. Do you have to do it or does it make any special effect on site. I practiced it but I didn’t see any special effects.
I had too many questions but I forgot them. Write to you later …okay …when I remember them. I think it is better to learn it by following just examples and that’s all I am doing. Do I have to read all those things though. Is there anything more in the writing part than in the example part. Is there any different. What’s the effect of meta thing. I saw that on few sites sources you know. But I didn’t get it. I copied meta thing example yesterday night.
I didn’t go throw them yet.
Yes: I want to know about the flash thing, is it like html thing or what?? I really want to know that flash, I like that flash very much.
Oh! Can you tell me about bookmark, what’s that bookmark about. I see that so often. But I don’t’ get that. Where can I learn that DreamWeaver thing. And how do you add big text on the site. And make all the different pages. And so on.
Oh! I found a thing today that I never notices at all. From MSW you can change your text files to html files. Is it a a way to save big text things on the site.
Too much for now.
Bye …
payel
Tue Aug 03, 04 12:42 pm
quantum Site Admin
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 1048
Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
Post subject:
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What effects does poem system have on website. I saw it on your site sources too but I don’t understand why did you do like that.
umm...what do you mean by poem system? Can you please paste the code here?
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I think it is better to learn it by following just examples and that’s all I am doing. Do I have to read all those things though. Is there anything more in the writing part than in the example part. Is there any different.
That's a good idea. No, there is not many different tags outside of what you see in a well designed html website. So if you study the source codes carefully and learn to use them, you will get most of what html has to offer.
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What’s the effect of meta thing. I saw that on few sites sources you know. But I didn’t get it. I copied meta thing example yesterday night. I didn’t go throw them yet.
Meta tags are for the search engines or the browser and used only between the <head> tags, so they are not visible to the normal user. You can define the html stndard you are using and keywords for your pages etc. with meta tag. They do not show a visible effect on the page.
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Yes: I want to know about the flash thing, is it like html thing or what??
Flash is not like HTML at all. Flash is an application made by Macromedia. Go to www.macromedia.com for more information. It is mostly a visual interface based system to build animation or interactive website. Though flash has its own scripting language to make complex animations, which is called action script. It's hard to give you an idea on how to use flash unless you actually use the product. If you cannot borrow it from a friend, you have to buy it from macromedia or a software store.
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Can you tell me about bookmark, what’s that bookmark about.
Bookmark is adding a webpage to internet explorer Favorites. It saves you the trouble of typing the entire url in the browser window to go to that page everytime. Click on Favorites on top menu to Add to Favorites.
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Where can I learn that DreamWeaver thing.
It's another software product like Flash from Macromedia. And you will have to get it from a friend or buy it. You cannot learn it till you actually have the product.
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And how do you add big text on the site.
The tag tp add big text is <h1>Big text</h1>
You can use h2, h3, h4 etc for different size. Or you can use <font size=#> tag.
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MSW you can change your text files to html files. Is it a a way to save big text things on the site.
It is a way. But very poor way. Don't ever try it.
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 147
Location: USA, N.Y. Brooklyn.
Post subject:
Hi quan brother,
Good to hear from you. You know that poem thing, here is the code
<html>
<body>
<p>
Here you go,
Up to the sky
Down into the earth
Down you will come back from sky
Come you will you out from the surface.
</p>
</body>
</html>
Aren’t those words funny quan brother?
See the poem thing. It is the way you write things, making a curve you see.
Very good to know that, because I feel lazy or even scare to read all those pages on the monitor of this computer. Yet, I will try go through them, those reading actually fine. But I like to use only the examples they have and practice with that and learn from that.
Okay, I understood the meta’s work.
Okay, about flash too, I don’t really have any friends at all in here, I don’t talk much with anyone in school or elsewhere. That’s just the way I am. But I could ask my art teacher about it though. brother man from my motherland; I don’t know where is the software store. But insha-allah I will buy that someday, when I will work or go to college. Thank you though for that site. Insha-allah I will visit that site soon.
Thank you for this bookmark info. I felt that before that all these are software and I will have to buy them and learn them that way and so on. I can’t buy now. What I do here is all personal, I share with no one about this. I don’t want to ask anyone about these at all. So, I can’t buy them now, but insha-allah I will soon.
Quan brother, that’s not what I asked for and meant by big text, not really your fault either. I meant like the text files, like if I want to add a book on a site how can I do that. Should I type them up and add them using html tags or what? How does one add such big files text on the site, like a book, dictionary and research information and so on. You know. You are very right to say that html in MSW is very poor. More questions: I don’t know what questions I have today because I didn’t open the html files and practice them. I have just been wasting my times here and being yelled at that’s all for using it too much.
Oh! Quan brother, I can’t really find that geocities free hosting thing. I don’t understand that thing they are talking about. I signed up but then they went on with something else. So, I don’t understand those things.
